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Post by airim9x on Oct 17, 2005 15:16:43 GMT 7
Current legislation:
I propose the revisement to be: Article 1 Karnalian citizens may not hold more than one other citizenship under normal circumstances.
Article 2 Karnalians can hold two other citizenships if both nations are recognized by the Republic of Karnali.
Article 3 Citizenships in the fellow nations of the Grand Commonwealth is not limited and therefore does not apply to Article 2.
Article 4 In case of national security, a Karnalian may aquire more citizenships than are allowed if permitted by the War Tribune or Head of the Military Directorate of the KIA.
This is now a vote.
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Post by airim9x on Oct 17, 2005 15:18:35 GMT 7
I submitted this because it would be in our interests to advocate the dual citizenships between ourselves and other members of the commonwealth. Also, Article 3, now Article 4, needed to be defined by permission. Does anyone oppose these revisements?
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Post by andelarion on Oct 17, 2005 17:24:11 GMT 7
This is good. But an amendment of your proposal Article 1 Karnalian citizens may not hold more than one other citizenship under normal circumstances. Article 2 Karnalians can hold two other citizenships if both nations are recognized by the Grand Commonwealth. Article 3 Citizenships in the fellow nations of the Grand Commonwealth is not limited and therefore does not apply to Article 2. Article 4 In case of national security, a Karnalian may aquire more citizenships than are allowed if permitted by the War Tribune or Head of the Military Directorate of the KIA. --- What I did was changing "by the Republic" to "by the Grand Commonwealth", as we're legally not entitled to recognize any states at the moment...
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Post by airim9x on Oct 18, 2005 1:47:52 GMT 7
wonderful, yes good change. I'll get a couple more opinions and then turn it into a vote.
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Post by extreme007 on Oct 18, 2005 2:22:20 GMT 7
Article 1: "normal circumstances" has to be defined clearly.. Article 2: it should be back to "by the Republic of Karnali" simply because if Grand Commonwealth recognises say for instance Shireroth, but we dont recognise them, then we shouldn't allow one of our citizens to be a citizen of that nation. Article 3: you mean to say that we can 6 citizenships (all of GC nations) and 2 more (from the recognized ones) that's 8 citizenships.... i dont think that should be the case... rename article 4 to: Article 4: Citizens who are KIA agents can be allowed multiple citizenship, as long as they are accepted by the War Tribune or the Head of Military Directorate of KIA, and have a reasonable amount of activity presence within the Republic. Article 5: Citizens with multiple citizenships will undergo an Activity check after every two months. If they are posting less or contributing less to the Republic, then their Karnalian citizenship will come under question. the whole point of having dual/multiple citizenships is so that people who are from other nations can be citizens of ours. (not ours be theirs).. so, we have to introduce some sort of check or something.. like the activity levels..
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Post by airim9x on Oct 18, 2005 2:50:19 GMT 7
normal circumstances are those that do not apply to the other articles.
So this means that every nation that is recognized by the GC we must also decide if that 'applies' to us? If the GC recognizes a nation we also, under law, recognize that nation. We simply would have to vote against that recognition vote in the MiD.
Yes, what would be the problem with that? Citizenship with one of our GC members should be treated much different than simply recognized nations, we are under the same government and charter. What would it hurt?
No, this is under the status of national security. Also the reasonable amount of activity means nothing to me if national security is at risk and should not be a necessity if permission has been granted by the War Tribune or Head of the MD.
First off, who is going to check all these citizens activities every two months? you? me? doubt it. Also, we are not post nazi's, if activity goes down and it's not because of another citizenship than that would have no bearings. As well, "under question" is not defined to mean anything. This article is not acceptable.
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Post by extreme007 on Oct 18, 2005 3:00:48 GMT 7
No.. i meant, define it in the articles or something..
If we vote against that recognition, we would still be bound to let that citizen be a citizen of that non-recognised nation, simply because the GC recognises it...even though we do not.... that's why i said, that we should bring it back to "by the Republic".. and not "by the GC".
So, if GC increases it size, then we should allow our citizens 10 citizenships??? well.. it does not hurt, but its not being realistic.
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Post by airim9x on Oct 18, 2005 3:20:41 GMT 7
But legally if they recognize a nation we do as well, so there is none of this they recognize them but we do not.
Also there are many nations that have no restrictions at all about citizenships, meaning they can have as many as possible yet I have never seen the case of someone being a citizen of over 4 nations at one time.
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Post by extreme007 on Oct 18, 2005 4:14:44 GMT 7
no... if GC recognises them.. and if we opted out of it.. then we do not recognise that nation, even though GC does.. this much freedom we do have..
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Post by airim9x on Oct 18, 2005 7:01:29 GMT 7
where does it say that in the charter?
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Post by extreme007 on Oct 18, 2005 8:58:44 GMT 7
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Post by airim9x on Oct 18, 2005 9:11:02 GMT 7
alright than that is a good point. Article 2 should be changed to look like this: Article 2 Karnalians can hold two other citizenships if both nations are recognized by the Grand Commonwealth and the Republic of Karnali.
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Post by extreme007 on Oct 18, 2005 9:12:32 GMT 7
why bring the GC??? if its recognized by Republic of Karnali then we should be fine with it...
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Post by airim9x on Oct 18, 2005 9:21:37 GMT 7
ok Article 2 Karnalians can hold two other citizenships if both nations are recognized by the Republic of Karnali.
Now, we need to keep a pinned list in the foreign ministry (soon to be the contact forum) of nations we recognize to be able to enforce this article.
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Post by extreme007 on Oct 18, 2005 9:26:40 GMT 7
aye.... but first we have to pass this.....
also, if we are going to do something like this, and have a Contact Forum... why not call is Home Ministry or something... and have a Home Minister.. the ministry's job would be to handle all citizenships and requests of (basically checks whether the person qualifies or not) and communication with the GC...
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