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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Oct 20, 2006 1:24:34 GMT 7
*ahem*...
This King is bad with speeches. I'll do something about it later on in my rule, but for now make-do with this.
There were times in Karnali, when only a few people were present, namely yours truly. That time was long and no one else cared, or bothered to come here and do something. Some came, raised a few uprisings and then promptly left. But none sticked around. Well I did. And it is because of ME, that Karnali, our home, is still present and active, albeit in somewhat random posting way. Over time, I realised that the problem with Karnali was in its government system and the way it went about dealing with it.
On paper, democracy and triumvirate was strong. I too believe that when our nation was founded and the triumvirate was established, that that was the best government system for us. But it was then. It was when we had atleast five to six active citizens in our nation. Since then, many left and we were left with hardly two active citizens in our nation. For long that period continued. As time went, it became clearer and clearer to me that installing a monarchy of sorts would be a good move. As I looked around micronations, there are countless monarchies, of all types, from absolute to parliamentary to constitutional. And these were the nations that were successfully able to stay alive with a minimum of citizens. And thus, I chose to propose a constitution change to make ourselves a monarchy in a way.
I realise that initially some would argue this move and not want us to be a monarchy. But I ask you all this. The proposal to change the Constitution was done roughly a month ago. Where were you when the proposal was being made in the Parliament? Did you ever come? Bother to say NO then? Bother to try and keep Karnali alive? Why is it that when we put to vote you come and say NO? When something is being done by those who care of this nation, and those who want it to live, that you come and try to shoot down the proposal? Either live with us through rough times or stop trying to change the way we want to govern ourselves. Neither do you stay here, nor do you propose to better the life here, nor to keep Karnali alive.
Even today, as I write this speech, I am open to going back to our old triumvirate. However, that is only possible if there are enough active citizens around to fill the three triumvirate positions and more to keep the tribunes on their toes at all times. But unfortunately, time and history has shown that you are not here to stay but only to stop us from changing. Prove me wrong, and I shall gladly allow us to change back to our triumvirate system, or any other that shall be proposed.
Now, to reply to certain comments.
Yes. This is extreme007. No, I do not plan on making it a one man administration. If you read the new Constitution, you'd see that the entire legislative powers are still with the Parliament, which consists of every citizen of Karnali. Dethroning a king. Now that is something I have left the parliament to come up with. If I did all the work, then what are the remaining Karnalians going to do!
No actually. If a certain citizen were to show strong presence in Karnali for the nation's benefits, then I don't see why the Kingship cannot be passed on to that person.
Infact, to be honest, and I dont really care if you'd believe or not (cause I know you will not), I had actually planned on calling Leo over and giving him the Kingship. That way, I'd be able to get one more citizen. I wanted you air, but I had no way of contacting with you. Thus, I would have had to do with leo, whom I can easily contact.
Well.. then... with that all being said, I'll start handing out jobs to fellow citizens soon enough. (er.. i mean as to what the parliament is going to need to discuss in the upcoming times). And offcourse to appoint Sachivas.
Good luck.
You all have the King's blessings.!
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Post by Jeremy on Oct 20, 2006 1:35:44 GMT 7
Huzzah for the King!
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Post by tambukjafarni1 on Oct 20, 2006 1:38:18 GMT 7
Unfortunately we cannot always rely on peoples attendence, this is not paid work after all, so political power should pass to those who put the time in of their own free will. In this instance that is the Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara formerly known as Extreme. Those who did not want to see this outcome should have put some more time in during the Triumpvirate era.
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Post by airim9x on Oct 29, 2006 1:17:04 GMT 7
I still consider this a dictatorship, even if your powers are limited, there is no defined term, no plan of progression, and the very citizens do not have the right to vote and elect its own administration. The Republic has been around since Karnali's foundings, and this foundation has been destroyed. You might as well change our url, links, and banner to reflect this new nation, as it is not the same, nor do I recognize it as the Republic. There are varying different political reformations that could have taken place while still promoting democracy and a republic. Different administration layouts other than a Triumvirate. However, these choices were not made, a monarchy has come to power, and from my knowledge of monarchies in micronations, they never turn out well. You're right I didnt vote, I wasn't around, Karnali has been around what, 5 years? There were many spans of time in which you were not around, however I am not inactive, I refuse to be active. The effort it took to counter your relentless tries to change everything about Karnali pushed me away from this nation of which I helped found. I only speak now, not to become active in this nation I no longer recognize but to make my own statement.
I will never be able to serve a King nor a tyrant nor a dictator and so with this death of the Republic comes the death of my citizenship. I revoke my citizenship in whatever Karnali now exists, if a democracy ever returns, as was the will of the forefathers, my presence might be felt again.
Long live the Republic, death to the Monarchy.
RE: In response to tambujanornoformi, do not speak of a time of which you do not know, years existed in this nation before Karnali existed to you. Leo, Hoef, Mig, and I put more work and time into this nation than yours or anyone else's mindless spamming can take place of. I left because none of my political allies existed anymore in this nation, I was constantly countering extreme bill after bill, policy after policy, hoping to keep the Karnali image. I began to understand this was futile and found myself being the only one in the nation with strong knowledge of the outside world of micronations. I was trying to steer Karnali to the future as the rest of the nation was to encompassed in conversing about the little white smilie that bounces around the screen.
In a way I am thankful that the Republic's name is no longer being dragged through the mud, if only the constitution had changed the name of Karnali, then I would be truly thankful.
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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Oct 29, 2006 1:35:06 GMT 7
Well. Other than some of me oldest sentiments for having you around, I wonder if anything else has been damaged by your revoke of citizenship. Its not like that you participated here a lot when we were a democracy, and infact, to put cherry on top, when you were the a tribune...! If you could prove your presence here for longer periods of time, then I'd be openly willing to change us back to the Republic. But until then, its a constitutional monarchy.
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Post by airim9x on Oct 29, 2006 1:42:54 GMT 7
I left, I did not become inactive. It was a choice, hoping to return when logic returned (namely leo or hoef), this did not happen. No one misunderstand, I have been away by choice. I am now leaving by choice. I am not mad that the political system has been reformed, I believe that was a need to reflect the current state of the country, I am however angry that the essence of democracy and of the republic was so easily washed away. I am a citizen of a different time, a time when Karnali was and was known as fearful, strong, and our invisible hand did not sway economics but instead the political stability of countless countries in which we were involved. I left because I no longer recognized the nation of which I was a part of. Do not blame me for inactivity because I stuck around much longer than any other founder did and witnessed much more than any of them. I however could not take anymore. I came today to revoke my citizenship, I now know no matter what words I say this nation is inherently falling.
RE: I have one more thing, I have just one favor, and that is for the 'King' to disband the KIA. The KIA has a history as long standing as the Republic and I would be very grateful to see its graceful dispansion.
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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Oct 29, 2006 3:35:58 GMT 7
Oh? And pray do tell, what happened to those bills after bills, policies after policies? And while you are at it, name them as well. Also, please do tell why your political allies left?
To let you know, some of these bills and policies were similar to what is making Gotzborg a great active nation these days.
You may have had strong knowledge of the outside world of micronations, but don't go around stating that you were trying to steer Karnali into the future while the rest of us were busy conversing about fluffy. If anything, you want to mention with respect to fluffy, is that WE developed and brought fluffy into our karnalian culture. And steer Karnali into the future you say? Refresh my memory by stating examples please, for I just do not remember any!
Perhaps, you are not aware that way back when hoef made a brief re-appearance and left again, I approached her and she replied stating that it was time to end Karnali. That should more or less tell you that her interests in micronationalism were over. But not mine, and I did not want to just give up on Karnali. True, I am no where near Hoef (as she has literally been through the best phase in micronationalism) but I dont think that the end of Karnali has come yet. And this, change of government system, is certainly not the end of Karnali. It might be the end of triumvirate, but not of the nation.
And with regards to leo... well, he can go to hell for all i care. All he has done is not much. He comes for a short while, raises revolution so that 'his' needs are met and then leaves. If he cared soo much, he wouldn't have left.
Again. The Karnalian system always favoured numbers. The high number of 'allies' and 'votes' in your favour, the more better for you. If you had yourself, leo, and that other allias of yours on your side, I wonder how little ol' me with no one else to rely on would have managed to bring Karnali to the so-called 'current' state... So, dont say that I am the reason Karnali is falling apart.. you and leo could have easily outvoted me on just about everything... but you didnt.. that's because either you agreed with me.. or the rest of the population did.. if its the first, then if you blame me, blame yourself as well cause you are just as guilty (that's if you consider what you did was wrong, but since that's not the case and you know you were right, then its not bad that we are at this current state.). if its the latter (that the rest of population voted with me), then that's where the population wanted to go... you can't blame me for that as well, cause everyone wanted it.
I have stated this several times already now. We are still a democracy. True, we had a monarch head, but the essence of democracy is still there. We are still open to debating and voting of "removal of a monarch", "reducing the powers of a monarch", amongst other things. And I will allow it and respect it. But I am sure, you just wont accept and believe it and like somebody who has already made up their mind, will ignore it.
Aye aye... That was just when Karnali was founded. And more over, it wasn't Karnali who was feared, but hoefensfill, as she was a known terrorist by then. Air, by now, I have got far more access to different parts of different nations. Reading the information available it has been clear to me as to how little you knew. Trust me, I have rechecked these information with the ones we had in KIA. They knew when you were calling a bluff.
KIA has a history as long standing as the nation Karnali. And since Karnali has not been disbanded, or left to die, neither will KIA. No, I wont disband the KIA. For a reason already mentioned before, and also because it would need the parliament's approval. The move to disband the KIA has to start from the parliament and then approach the King.
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Post by airim9x on Nov 4, 2006 7:29:49 GMT 7
The "information available", is only available to you because it holds no value. You had and are still blocked out of every level of the KIA which has weapons, intelligence, r&d, contacts, etc. You have no concept of what went on in the KIA because you were not allowed to be involved. In truth all five founding members of Agni Force agreed your participation would be a security threat. Do not speak of knowledge on an Agency which you only know the name of one deeper level and were never allowed past its gates.
The KIA's current existence is a joke. You and no one else in this nation even has access to the forums where real KIA activity was held, and by no means will you ever.
In the case that you will not disband the KIA, I announce that the Agni Force is officially leaving its connections to the Karnalian Intelligence Agency and its role of Karnalian Defense. If you choose to not recognize this action than you may live in denial, but because no one in Karnali is a member, and no one in its government has control of it in anyway, denial is all you can do.
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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Nov 4, 2006 12:50:29 GMT 7
Mate, I know of the Agni Force as well you talk off. Infact, had it not been for me, Leo wouldn't have reached that place. I was the one to provide with him the necessary links. Yes sir. I know exactly what you speak off. However, rest assured you are indeed correct about one thing. No one (non-Karnalians) ever knew or were aware of the Agni Force, untill offcourse today. Infact, last I remember, you were the one to suggest to me and everyone in general that the mention of Agni Force in broad daylight was to be reduced to a maximum minimum possible. Guess you broke your own suggestion eh?
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Post by airim9x on Nov 5, 2006 1:47:56 GMT 7
you only know the name, nothing more, the links you have are from the starting of the organization, it was moved off board after its start. Also, www.karnali.co.nr/, Agni Force is not an udder secret, you can read about it on our website under Karnali Intel. |
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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Nov 5, 2006 3:10:21 GMT 7
In that case, good for you. And good luck of having any real motivation for it to continue. Anyways, welcome back for what its worth.
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Post by airim9x on Nov 5, 2006 3:45:03 GMT 7
it should be worthwhile, I will still participate in the festivities here, no one can cut my ties to karnali's culture  |
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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Nov 5, 2006 3:50:55 GMT 7
You could aid us in our work here. For instance, there's a couple of major public projects being undertaken. Like the dam construction on one of our rivers. You could provide us with your artistic ability. Last I remember, you had a couple of courses/classes in arts.
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Post by shakobe on Nov 7, 2006 16:55:52 GMT 7
I lol'd.
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a large pendulous organ in various mammals and especially a female domestic bovine consisting of two or more mammary glands enclosed in a common envelope and each provided with a single nipple
Also fluffy was only meant to be an 'in-joke' not some 'Karnalian/Micronational unity thingdealy'
furthermoreinsofarastothenthdegree the 'fall' of Karnali is all my fault.
I was too lazy to do anything meaningful.
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Post by Maharajadhiraja Jalamdhara on Nov 8, 2006 1:09:40 GMT 7
Aye, but the 'in-joke' became a part of Karnalian culture.
Furthermore, the 'fall' of Karnali shouldn't really be considered a 'fall'. It is only a phase till citizens starting working and/or better citizens arrive. This isn't as much your fault as it is others. Atleast you still come here from time to time and post stuff around. Perhaps, we need to device a better way for you to stick around. Say, shakobe, would you like to be the Minister of Education? or something that would entertain you to stick around in Karnali, while putting that time to good use?
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