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Post by andelarion on Oct 7, 2005 19:06:53 GMT 7
I wrote a little text before. We had to write a short story about Greek stuff. Anyway. I tried to include some Efi elements here. Although the narrator is unaware of them and doesn't believe in them everything that he encounters is filled with Efi symbolism - or so I think anyway I went to the temple, in sadness and with tears in my eyes. I did not know. I knew nothing. I only wanted peace and rest in my heart. And I went to the temple, and the walls, they greeted me. “Gnóthi seautón” they whispered. “Know thyself”
But how, o my gods, could I know myself when I was so afraid of looking into my own eyes, to see the soul that I am. How, how could I do this when hate is what I show myself every time I look into them. Say, I ask you, please – tell me. How?
“Know thyself” and I sighed. Say something, my gods. Say something!
I went to the oracle, in hope of answers. She mumbled. And I listened but I could not understand her divine language of Apollo. The priests were led to interpret. And they too shouted out “Know thyself, my son”: And I couldn’t. There is nothing in me to know that I already don't know.
I thought I was in delphos, but I was not. I am nearer death than a womb of a mother.
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Post by Onyx of the Efi on Oct 8, 2005 0:19:59 GMT 7
It is a thing of beauty - and I love you use of language in this text. The simbolism is very appealing, and although the concluding sentence (ragardless of the quality of the text) is less than positive, it is that feeling of emptiness and desire for peace that drive us all, both as beings and, for those which it applies for, as Efi, to seek those thing that could bring us That. The search is not easy, and it spans over endless realms of both the psyche as well as a through metaphysical examination of all we claim to know. ...That aside! You are an awsome writer. Again, regardless of the nature and the context given , your usen of simbols and concept expression is quite remarkable. I am nearer death than a womb of a mother.*Awe* I wonder what could have brought him that he was searching for. We cling to the belief that whatever it is, for each and every one of us - It is out there - Relative but existant for certain; and it is that the drives us onward. Do you believe we are here for a reason?
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Post by andelarion on Oct 8, 2005 1:51:05 GMT 7
Thanks The idea of the "womb of the mother" comes from both the Greek and Swedish words for "womb". In Greek it is "delphos", and it is from this word that the Temple's name, Delphi, comes from. And in Swedish "womb" is "livmoder", which literally means "life-mother". I like writing symbolic texts, but they are written mostly in Swedish because Swedish is the language I know best. Maybe I'll translate some stuff, if they're Efiish hehe. I think I agree with you. All people seem to have a thread they're following in their lives, a little path of their own. But what I cannot fighure out is what creates each of our paths. Is it just chance? Or is it kismet, or maybe just a result of our actions and feelings? I'd like to think that it's not chance - because then everything would be unfair, and it'd feel as if I had little control over my own life and my own actions. Were it kismet or fate, then I'd just be a pawn in a game of chess. If our lives, on the other hand, were ultimately formed by the way we look on life - as a journey finding something, then it'd feel as if there were a purpose. But the big question is... what are we really searching for? I don't think it's the goal that is important, but rather the way we are searching it. It's the journey that takes us which is important. Maybe death just happens when we've in our minds have found what we're searching for. Like a natural thing. I don't know, and I think I'm going off-topic here, but I just thought about this... Hmm... What do you think?
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Post by Onyx of the Efi on Oct 8, 2005 3:14:52 GMT 7
Life-Mother...Interesting. Aye, much of the stuff I wrote myself was in Hebrew, although most is definitely relevant; In fact, I think there is one poem I especially should translate, although the specific rhyming system will be lost. I think you are well on-topic. I agree with your thoughts on the matter; Seeking conclusion, though, I have come to believe in what made most logic to me (while assuming much else, I should admit) and beyond that.. Felt right. The theory is for a soul - our souls - choosing to come to this plane, to this world, into what would become our lives - for certain purposes. I hold you greatly now for saying that the purpose is not the end - but it is what we experience while on this road - what we learn in this path. I do believe that our souls, a main aspect of our being, have specific desires, specific aims it wished to experience and accomplish by coming here. And I feel that should there be a time the we will derivate from our own soul's desire - our own truthful will, although sometimes unconscious (for, unlike fate - or what have you that people may say that drives their course in life, our soul is us in the truest form of us, one that is beyond all perception limits and such other limits that our consciousness as humans may apply on our being), should that time come and we lead ourselves astray from what we chose ourselves by coming here (which is arbitrary for each soul), we shall feel this emptiness, our soul will know - and such, so will we. Our essence would be nearer to death than the womb of a mother. But, should our physical actions match our own spiritual will, we would know also, and only then we would find that which is true peace, and then we have served the goal of our being here and will be ready the move on with great joy and peace and enlightment. And there is a time, for many, that their souls would come to spend time here with them without serving their true spiritual will; and when that time will be spent... What? I know not, but I can speculate that they will have to return once more to face these challenges again, and (hopefully not) again, until they overcome them and become one with their spiritual will and find true peace. Also let me mention as a side-note that with regard to fate and many other similar beliefs, I strongly believe in one truth that is active very strongly on this plane: We create our realities with our thoughts, feelings, and mental actions. Hence, people believing in what they may - their own mental is spiritual essence would give these existence and implement them into their active reality. It is that very reason that we strive for positive-ness in our thoughts, feelings, and mental actions! That is what I think. What say you?
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Post by andelarion on Oct 12, 2005 5:42:54 GMT 7
I don't think you should worry too much about rhythm when you're translating, as long as the essence is the same - what you're trying to convey But it's more difficult if you had been using language to the fullest, having linguistic puns and plays on words, and so on in your Hebrew texts ("Hebrew text" -. sounds holy!) I'm sorry about not answering you sooner. I just felt I needed to concentrate on this when I answered and not been busy by doing other things like eating, chatting, phone speaking, that I normally do when sitting infront of my computer, hehe. Anyway I think that I can say that I stand behind what you're saying, but I'm a bit uncertain what you mean by if should there be a time the we will derivate from our own soul's desire - our own truthful will [...] [our] essence will be nearer death than the womb of a motherIf I have these unconscious urges, and I don't fulfil them, am I then turning myself towards death than the womb of a mother? Many people feel these weird things... Sometimes scary. Do you mean that if we dont let them fulfil those urges and feelings, we in essence condemn them to death? Perhaps it's not necessary for a person to act his or her feelings and urges, but self-fulfilment could come from actually acknowledging and recognizing those feelings. I'm not sure...
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Post by Onyx of the Efi on Oct 12, 2005 8:05:15 GMT 7
Ah yes, I do need to check if there are any of these... I will try and get on it next weekend, hopefully.
lol, nothing to be sorry for. Heck, yer not alone!
By all means, no! Although "Death" is an illusive term on it's own - and infact only represents a change in state of being - What I was reffering to was a spiritual type... Although not exactly "death",and moreso, defintely not a physical demise. Rather so, 'death of spirit' is sometimes being reffered to as this state in which we are afar from spiritual peace and happiness, what would be represented as sadness and uneasy emptiness. This was what I was reffering to - the reasons that cause our psyche to feel clser to death than a mother's womb - and not actual passing on. Sometimes it is better not to live then to live un-life, and it is common knowledge that about people who are "dead" inside - mentally, spiritually, emotionally - their body will not be late to respond to the situation. A healthy body goes with a health spirit!
Nontheless, it is important to make a distinction. ...And I'm pretty positive that I'm not being entirely cler about this, especially since I was jumping around different subjects lineraly.. So please say so if any specific matter about my view is.. puzzling :s
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